I thought it was the basis of people spend more on the BMWs and Audis not necessarily because they are indeed "better" but because the general perception is that they are better. I am of the mind that they may have bigger engines, may have more gizmos and gimmicks, but also that they are more expensive and those gizmos and gadgets tend to break. I am also of the mind that generally the owners are indeed annoying gimps with more money than sense. I would like to say the same about iPhones, but as I am considering getting one next year, I would also have to say there are exceptions to the rule

Im sure there is a certain amount of I am buying a mac because its cool and because I can afford one, but in defence of Goblin, I dont think he buys apple because he likes the logo. He buys apple because he likes their product.

Anyway.
Back on topic...

To the hardware of the Apple Products. They do nice stuff, lets face it, yeah it is bloody pricey but it is nice and even if they do not nail it what they do is lead everyone else to go that same route. Love or hate the apple products they at the very least set a standard of thinking everyone else can follow and that can only benefit the industry as a whole. Sam thinks the iphone is sh*te for example but the strive by everyone else to beat the iphone in terms of features and everything else about it has created a stream of similar phones. Microsoft has an app store, Palm has one, Google has one as well now for example.

As to how good the hardware is:
I would say it is not that much better then say a PC or other MP3 etc. The run into the same and similar problems just as anything else. Apple just do a good job of making sure it does not get out there as much. Much of their media coverage is devoted to showing up everyone else and they create this wonder atmosphere which creates this huge fanboy mass which Sing and praise Apple which Is just bizzare.
It is a bit like World of Warcraft. It is the best MMO ever, no question about that but the way the fanboys of it react to every other MMO  "its copying wow" etc is just stupid, lol.

You could write a paper on those people.
Anyway..
I am getting a new LCD and a new Battery for my Macbook Pro this weekend as it formed white blotches and has a hair trapped in the screen and what appears to be scratches from the inside of the screen. In terms of the hair the apple forums are full of people with similar and solutions by other owners but Apples official response is basically that it is not possible.
In terms of their support, they are pretty crap! checking out the forums sometimes when I have had an issue you find a lot of people with a lot of problems that Apple ignore, they even remove a lot of negativity from the forums as well.

A PC will always have its issues hey.
They have a lot of parts from different people with their own drivers and software and as an OS you have to make them all play nice with each other. When you think about it that is not easy!
Apples solution - Fixed hardware there way and tailor it to work and yeah it does a good job with that but as a result you have little choice and the cost is bloody insane!

Anyone been the apple site and built a macbook pro with the works on it?
The cost! OMG!  

Grab the hair, DNA test and if it points to apple, they cant argue

Worrying if its a Piab though.

Hey, as I said, I think youre both in the wrong and should be force fed some humble pie and let this whole thing die. Yes I agree about what you say in RE: twattishness...and also your dickishness. (Need I remind you the world is fully of pussys, dicks, and assholes?...)

I get the impression this is a case of a web designer vs a developer (not web developer, just developer...I get the impression you both do web development). You do also come across as having no respect for Sam (likely true, and can be said the other way round) The styles may be different but both are pretty insulting to each other and will continue until you guys just let it be.

I think that this thread may help us discover how to create a perpetual motion machine.

No, we should not let this whole thing die
in fact, we should pick sides and have a forum war, itll be awesome

Ok, I will Start.

I LOVE YOU MAN!

on an actual note @sam : Did you get that Javascript thing sorted? You were going  to ask a question about that.