Was fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock )

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB

10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background

Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)

Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.

RSA - do you work for a govt org? Theyre the only ones who buy their overpriced stuff nowadays

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No you said it was cheap as chips !! I dont consider $300 + contract cheap as chips !!

Sam, read, you do not have to use the expensive contract ^^

Find me a cheap contract here, they dont exist
They want $60 a month for a pants contract.

How does it compare to my 3 year old axim x51v 624MHz with VGA graphics? - Im just interested, as modern WM6 devices are still a touch on the slow side.

Well, I guess it’s tricky to say since the iPhone’s hardware specs aren’t public knowledge and noone knows/says who builds their processors and graphics systems or which models are in it.  It’s also not helped by the fact I work in the video/graphics development team for the company who built the graphics systems for the Dell Axim range… But anyway…

Your Dell Axim x51 is running an Intel 2700 graphics core with 16MB of memory.  The Intel G2700 (Marathon) is a low power graphics co-processor built on a PowerVR MBX Lite core made by my company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_2700G.  It’s a very good graphics core indeed for a phone and you’ve picked a very high end PDA for comparison purposes even though it’s 3 years old.  However it is the lite version of one of our MBX cores (not the latest core or the full version).

Unfortunately, noone knows for sure what’s inside the current iPhone but people are doing there best to work out what’s inside it.  A while after the iPhone went live the hardware crash reports hit the media and this thread got linked from many of the world’s biggest news papers and news outlets.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?s=ae439f1bc49f6a698133e6c2f2cf85aa&t=42496
Those reports seem to be saying there’s also an MBX core in the iPhone (no mention of the lite version) plus several advanced image processing systems like hardware H264/JPEG acceleration, vector floating point coprocessor(s) and 3D accelerator(s).  That’s a lot of extra video processing silicon lurking in an iPhone and it may not be the lite version of the core. In the same way that a Celeron could be considered a lite version of a Pentium you might expect the lite version to not be as powerful.

Put them side by side and the iPhone certainly feels much more powerful.  But unfortunately we can’t really answer this unless we knew exactly what core the iPhone was using.  My gut feeling is that the iPhone is more powerful but who knows – I might be a fan boy ?  Personally I hope it’s the Dell is better as we definitely built that one, everything about the iPhone hardware is just speculation until they tell us what’s inside it.

you would also have to assume theres going to be more visual dedicated memory in an iPhone since its also a h264 video player.

Having tried one out, I was woefully unimpressed by it. Yes I will say it seemed slick, but nowhere near as impressive as its made out to be.

As for unimpressive tech... I dont want my phone to play movies well (though it does so admirably), I want it to call people, text, mms, connect to the internet, provide a range of methods of connectivity.

In fact a phone at its core nowerdays is a multi-purpose communication device. All the communications hardware contained within the iphone can be found on the average windows mobile device from 1.5 years back. Bring it forward a year, and most would in fact beat the iphone connectivity wise. Thats the biggest let down. Slick... but all it serves to be is a piece of eye candy.

Whats the point in buying a ipod touch with a crap phone attached vs buying an ipod touch.

Whats the point in buying a ipod touch with a crap phone attached vs buying an ipod touch.

I dont have to buy any phone but thats somewhat beside the point.  The reason would be not carrying two devices and frankly Ive not yet found a phone that can do as much as the iPhone.  I do wish it had a better camera.  I do wish I didnt have to go third party to send MMS.  I would have liked GPS built in.  Everything else is pretty much fine.

And tbh that wasnt based on a choice of 1 or 2 phones or not knowing what they do.

Different strokes for different folks but I havent found a windows based phone that comes close to the iPhone for what I want.

Quote from: Mark

How does it compare to my 3 year old axim x51v 624MHz with VGA graphics? - Im just interested, as modern WM6 devices are still a touch on the slow side.

Well, I guess it’s tricky to say since the iPhone’s hardware specs aren’t public knowledge and noone knows/says who builds their processors and graphics systems or which models are in it.  It’s also not helped by the fact I work in the video/graphics development team for the company who built the graphics systems for the Dell Axim range… But anyway…

Your Dell Axim x51 is running an Intel 2700 graphics core with 16MB of memory.  The Intel G2700 (Marathon) is a low power graphics co-processor built on a PowerVR MBX Lite core made by my company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_2700G.  It’s a very good graphics core indeed for a phone and you’ve picked a very high end PDA for comparison purposes even though it’s 3 years old.  However it is the lite version of one of our MBX cores (not the latest core or the full version).

Unfortunately, noone knows for sure what’s inside the current iPhone but people are doing there best to work out what’s inside it.  A while after the iPhone went live the hardware crash reports hit the media and this thread got linked from many of the world’s biggest news papers and news outlets.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?s=ae439f1bc49f6a698133e6c2f2cf85aa&t=42496
Those reports seem to be saying there’s also an MBX core in the iPhone (no mention of the lite version) plus several advanced image processing systems like hardware H264/JPEG acceleration, vector floating point coprocessor(s) and 3D accelerator(s).  That’s a lot of extra video processing silicon lurking in an iPhone and it may not be the lite version of the core. In the same way that a Celeron could be considered a lite version of a Pentium you might expect the lite version to not be as powerful.

Put them side by side and the iPhone certainly feels much more powerful.  But unfortunately we can’t really answer this unless we knew exactly what core the iPhone was using.  My gut feeling is that the iPhone is more powerful but who knows – I might be a fan boy ?  Personally I hope it’s the Dell is better as we definitely built that one, everything about the iPhone hardware is just speculation until they tell us what’s inside it.

Cheers for the response! Seems this old thing may well be worth hanging on to for a bit yet !!

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?node=home/shop_iphone/family/iphone&cid=OAS-US-KWG-iPhone&aosid=p202&esvt=GOUSE101146800&esvadt=999999-0-1024432-1&esvid=101045

Cheap nexus, Ill have two.

it would be worth reading whole threads and not just a couple of words on them
Go look on ebay.com as mentioned in the post and other sources. Brand new ipods that have not been unlocked $300 or less you can then use ziphone OSX on (free program, one button) run what ever sim you want, pay as you go even and put more apps on and when you compare to other high end phones these days their cost just for the phone is similar, and its an ipod as well dont forget
Like the things or not but you can pick them up for a good price in the US for what they are and what they can do now you can so easily unblock and jailbreak them.

What do you want though?

As even on the music front windows media player 11 and the sync feature even takes on itunes quite admirably.

I want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
I want SMS
I want mobile email
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
I want VoIP.

Ive not found any other phone that gives me the same standard on all of these.  Blackberry does better email by far.  Nothing does better media playback.  Other phones do VoIP with less hassle.  Find me a phone you think can solve my needs better (chances are we made it so Ill go get one from upstairs).  Moneys no concern.