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Pensions
on: May 08, 2008, 18:16:27 PM
Had the bank man round today because my company has more than 5 employees we have to open a stakeholders pension scheme.

Is it worth paying into a Pension these days, with the world economies the way they are? Its all done on the stocks isnt it?

I quite like the idea of taking one tbh, and apparently they are going to be compulsory soon anyway.

Ive just been paying into an ISA for the last few years.

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Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 18:47:55 PM
I dont know if they are worth it or not. But ive got one........I pay 3% of my wage and my company contributes 7%. So IMO its free money.

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Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 18:55:49 PM
apparently what ever i pay in I get my rate of tax(20%) back on it. so every £1 I pay I get 20p added.

You would think its free money but they gamble with it on the stock market so they could loose it all if they crash, from what I understand.

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Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 20:08:19 PM
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I dont know if they are worth it or not. But ive got one........I pay 3% of my wage and my company contributes 7%. So IMO its free money.


as long as you live past the retirement age.. otherwise its lost money

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Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 20:34:30 PM
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Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 22:14:51 PM
Theres different levels of risk with pensions though - you can take high risk high return, or safer, more guaranteed returns fund options as far as I know. (Cant say Ive ever done anything but pay into the company scheme though).
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Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 23:30:46 PM
Im 25 atm and Ive worked full time 2yrs now and considered setting up recently. My company will match up to 2% if I put in 2% but for the past 2yrs Ive been maxing out my Isa. I can afford to do this because Im still living at home so Im questioning if I can keep this up when I do eventually move out.

I just cantdecide right now...if I put in £400 a year for example, my company puts in £400 and over 30years thatll be £12k+ (salary rise). I guess the plus side is I can access my ISA whenever I like.


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Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 23:54:04 PM
poersonally, I think it all depends on how well you can hide the money ;)

if you retire and have some cash (or other stuff) saved up youll end up being milked for everything youre worth... where as... if you have nothing youll get everything for free...  (even tho youve already paid for it with your tax money!)

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Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 00:37:21 AM
The thing to be said about pensions schemes is the longer the money is in the scheme the more itll be worth, so start early. Youll be thinking about this in your thirties and by then you could have had an extra 10 years of investment ;)
If you move jobs often you will be usually be asked to join a different scheme; this may mean you end up with many different schemes (even if most of them have no more money going into them). This gives you some protection against the risk of a particular scheme being robbed or devalued.
Its one of the most tax-efficient ways of saving (except that your pension once drawn is taxable! :yarr: ) To this end, additional voluntary contributions may be worth your while if you can afford it.

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Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 05:22:23 AM
Yeah, thinking about it, you can put it in different risks etc........mine is in a normal risk one.

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Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 10:54:05 AM
sack your employees & take on contracters.. give them a hefty pay rise.
No more pension fund & no more employees national insurance.
No more holiday pay either

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Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
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sack your employees & take on contracters.. give them a hefty pay rise.
No more pension fund & no more employees national insurance.
No more holiday pay either


so make them all self employed? thats a really good idea tbh

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Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 17:52:13 PM
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sack your employees & take on contracters.. give them a hefty pay rise.
No more pension fund & no more employees national insurance.
No more holiday pay either


so make them all self employed? thats a really good idea tbh


affectively.. yes

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Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 18:27:02 PM
Quote from: Eggtastico
sack your employees & take on contracters.. give them a hefty pay rise.
No more pension fund & no more employees national insurance.
No more holiday pay either


funny thing is quite a few banks do this

citi group is well known for it

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Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 22:51:37 PM
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sack your employees & take on contracters.. give them a hefty pay rise.
No more pension fund & no more employees national insurance.
No more holiday pay either


so make them all self employed? thats a really good idea tbh


Most companies do this already. My old company had about 50 or 60 sales staff, all self-employed.

Think there is something in the works to put a kybosh on it though no? IR35? Means if contractors are working for a regular employer... then theyre classed as employees and end up getting screwed tax and NI wise.

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