Author Topic: Macs ? Whats the point ? (Read 14957 times)

Clock'd 0Ne · **Reply #45 on:** August 12, 2010, 20:02:00 PM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #45 on: August 12, 2010, 20:02:00 PM

Actually Windows 7 had an overhaul of the ClearType engine and now does indeed do subpixel rendering.

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Windows 7 is designed to kick ClearType up a notch. Taking advantage of the LCD pixel architecture and leveraging the human visual system, ClearType manages to spread the energy associated with a single pixel to the neighboring sub-pixels in, making text appear sharper. In Windows 7, ClearType comes with increased clarity, allowing end users to opt from a wider variety of granular choices via the ClearType Text Tuner.

“One of the graphics improvements we made in Windows 7, therefore, is to move from the physical pixel model of the past, and instead creating a new design around what we call the “device independent pixel” unit (or “DIP”), a “virtual pixel” that is one-ninety-sixth an inch in floating-point data type,” Chaoweeraprasit added. “In this model, a glyph (or any other geometric primitive for that matter) can size to fractional pixels, and be positioned anywhere in between the two pixels. The new ClearType improvement allows sizing and placement of glyph to the screen’s sub-pixel nearest to its ideal condition, creating a more natural looking word shape and making text on screen look a lot closer to print quality.”

ClearType Tuner

The quality of the ClearType text can be optimized for you and your monitor. The ClearType Tuner is a new control panel component for Windows 7. Because there are differences in monitor characteristics and differences between readers’ eyes, there are font rendering options that can only be optimized by a reader looking at text on their monitor. The ClearType Tuner uses various samples of ClearType, presented in the form of an eye-test, to make fine grained adjustments to the ClearType algorithms. Each wizard page tunes a parameter such as monitor gamma (relationship between voltage and brightness), your sensitivity to color artifacts, and your preference for letter heaviness.

In order to switch between ClearType and grayscale, the setting “Turn on ClearType” on the opening page of the ClearType Tuner can be toggled.

bear · **Reply #46 on:** August 12, 2010, 20:27:07 PM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #46 on: August 12, 2010, 20:27:07 PM

Quote from: Clockd 0Ne

Actually Windows 7 had an overhaul of the ClearType engine and now does indeed do subpixel rendering.

What it is called in Ubuntu, subpixel rendering

Sam · **Reply #47 on:** August 12, 2010, 23:27:03 PM

Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #47 on: August 12, 2010, 23:27:03 PM

Wow Goblin, that font screenshots was the worst thing to post. The windows one looks 10x better, the mac one looks like I took my glasses off.

And it seems everyone else agrees.

neXus · **Reply #48 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:20:23 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #48 on: August 13, 2010, 00:20:23 AM

Quote from: Shaun

The simple fact of the matter is you can get done 99% of things on both! ...all this bollocks about being able to do things 3 times quicker come on get a grip!

Simply not true, stacks of things on the web or companies such as 37signals and their blogs refering to why a mac has increased their productivity.
You can do your job on PC and I have for years and windows 7 is nice but mac has WAY LESS faffing about.

neXus · **Reply #49 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:22:29 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #49 on: August 13, 2010, 00:22:29 AM

Font rendering is a non issue as they are different for each OS and Browser. Windows 7 Font rendering as Nige said is WAY better then past versions of windows and is now there and not crap.

OSX > XP, Vista
Win7 = OSX and so on

At the end of the day that is personal preference, I am either or and some fonts are better on different OS.

Helvetica for example does look better on Mac then PC. Verdana looks better on PC then Mac in my opinion as another example.

Not really something you can compare.

Colour pallet is another story as well. Not one better but both different. You can find fault in colour variations a lot clearer on a mac though. An image on a background image and if not done exact you can notice it on a mac while it looks fine on a pc.

Clock'd 0Ne · **Reply #50 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:33:03 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #50 on: August 13, 2010, 00:33:03 AM

Helvetica and Verdana are bad examples really as one is traditionally a Mac font and the other is a Microsoft font, so they are bound to look better on their respective native platforms.

I believe Mac gamma is lower than on a PC, which is good for print work but not for web/screen I think. It could be the other way around though.

BigSoy · **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:52:24 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #51 on: August 13, 2010, 00:52:24 AM

Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...

Sam · **Reply #52 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:59:28 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #52 on: August 13, 2010, 00:59:28 AM

Quote from: neXus

Font rendering is a non issue as they are different for each OS and Browser. Windows 7 Font rendering as Nige said is WAY better then past versions of windows and is now there and not crap.

OSX > XP, Vista
Win7 = OSX and so on

At the end of the day that is personal preference, I am either or and some fonts are better on different OS.

Helvetica for example does look better on Mac then PC. Verdana looks better on PC then Mac in my opinion as another example.

Not really something you can compare.

Colour pallet is another story as well. Not one better but both different. You can find fault in colour variations a lot clearer on a mac though. An image on a background image and if not done exact you can notice it on a mac while it looks fine on a pc.

Dunno what youre on about. Windows 7 is great but the fonts havent changed since XP. Windows has always had the best looking fonts.

Sam · **Reply #53 on:** August 13, 2010, 00:59:50 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #53 on: August 13, 2010, 00:59:50 AM

Quote from: BigSoy

Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...

Hes just three times better value for his employer

Beaker · **Reply #54 on:** August 13, 2010, 01:14:06 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #54 on: August 13, 2010, 01:14:06 AM

anti-aliasing text on a screen gives me a migrain trying to read it. As a non-artist it isnt needed in my case, and its witched off no matter what OS Im using.

The only thing youre paying for on a Mac is their industrial design, and the OS. If you buy the right machine you can Hackintosh it anyway, and since they farmed all their production out to Quanta and Asus anyway youre not getting anything like the quality you used to get. At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one. These days they are as failure happy as any other brand. From experience Id sooner have a £500 MSI than a £1500 Mac laptop, at least youll not be as out of pocket when the MSI shoots its brains out all over the desk.

Serious · **Reply #55 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:24:42 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #55 on: August 13, 2010, 02:24:42 AM

Quote from: Beaker

At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one.

Which was inevitable simply because getting upgrades was nigh on impossible.

Beaker · **Reply #56 on:** August 13, 2010, 02:28:15 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #56 on: August 13, 2010, 02:28:15 AM

Quote from: Serious

Quote from: Beaker
At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one.

Which was inevitable simply because getting upgrades was nigh on impossible.

My old Quadra 630 DOS is still ticking away at a mates house. He lets his kids use if for drawing and sh*t. Its had a new Hard Disk, but thats all. Even the PC card is still working!

Bacon · **Reply #57 on:** August 13, 2010, 03:35:42 AM

Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #57 on: August 13, 2010, 03:35:42 AM

Quote from: Goblin

Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?

Would you pay 25% more than everyone else for a Kia if it was badge Kia by Apple? I think so

neXus · **Reply #58 on:** August 13, 2010, 05:37:50 AM

Re:Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #58 on: August 13, 2010, 05:37:50 AM

Quote from: BigSoy

Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...

I have got 2 Pay rises very close together, the latter being the only one in the company to do so and others not told I have. So my work effort and quality of work has gone up and it has been noticed and I have been rewarded for it.
So not 3 times but Yes - Paid more as a result.

neXus · **Reply #59 on:** August 13, 2010, 05:40:20 AM

Macs ? Whats the point ?

Reply #59 on: August 13, 2010, 05:40:20 AM

Quote from: Bacon

Quote from: Goblin
Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?

Would you pay 25% more than everyone else for a Kia if it was badge Kia by Apple? I think so

That is the thing, Apple do not do the mid to low end markets. They are focused on the high end range and thus the lead in that area.
Apple are apparently looking to delve into the mid range market though for a variety of products. It will be interesting to see if build quality then suffers as a result...

On a note about Apple the true rip off that I know no one will deny is Accessories. RIP OFF! UTTER RIP OFF! will not argue with anyone on that point.

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