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Radiator questions
on: January 19, 2015, 11:19:31 AM
I'm trying to decide on the best course of action with our house. We have about 4 radiators downstairs, 4 upstairs. Back boiler. Central heating is one of those ones that has a header tank in the loft (low pressure?)

Pipes and rads gurgle like mad. Downstairs ones are mostly fine and bleed pretty much when you crack the valve. Upstairs the bathroom was half empty, bedroom 3/4 full, and then two other ones were nearly totally empty, though the pipes going to them were hot.

I don't think they'd been bled at all by the previous owners.

Issue is I think they're all a bit gunged up, you can take the bleed valve right out and there's no kind of pressure or flow of water coming back in to the radiator. The thing I'm most concerned about is that it looks like when the CH turns off, and the rads cool, the header tank seems to be filling up a bit causing the overflow pipe to kick in. My concern is if that overflow pipe got blocked/frozen, the header tank might overflow and leak through the ceiling.

My best guess is that there's a chunk of gunge somewhere in the upstairs rads and/or near the header. Normal expansion from the heat pulls a slow trickle of water from the header, and there's some kind of micro-leak sucking in air too. When the heat goes off, the contraction and additional air in the system is pushing the excess water back to the header.

I've read about draining the system, which I've never done. I'm a bit concerned that if there is a blockage, I'll drain the system and not be able to refill it.

Local plumber has quoted £22 per rad to powerflush/de-gunge them. I've seen de-gunk products in B&Q for about £20 too. Assuming the B&Q stuff would do more than 1 rad per bottle...


Re: Radiator questions
Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
checked the valves on them are actually open?

Re: Radiator questions
Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 14:02:47 PM
for £200 I would get a plumber to flush & re-balance the whole system.
It will save you money in the long run, both in energy (as the blockage must be reducing efficiency & causing your boiler pump to work harder) & if something breaks because of the blockages.
Also balancing should mean the whole house gets hot at the same time, rather than 1 room being roasting hot (usually the front rads on the loop) & other rooms staying cold.


If you got an old boiler & something does break - chances are you wont get parts. That means a new boiler.... $$$££££$$$


Also, I think the header tank works like a cistern, so a ball on an arm controls the water filling.
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Re: Radiator questions
Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 15:23:18 PM
Yeah checked the valves, cranked them both fully open.

One rad did suddenly start working a few weeks ago as I think the thermo-regulating valve had seized. I did nothing I hadn't tried before but suddenly it was letting water through. Guess it's possible that the thermo-valve might be gone on the other empty one.

As to the header tank with the ball valve...yeah, that's right. The issue with the overflow though is that the rad heat up, expanding and sucking water in from the tank. The tank then fills back up due to the lower water level. Rads go off, cool, contract, and that water goes back in to the now full again header tank, and so it drips/runs out of the overflow pipe into the garden.

Re: Radiator questions
Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 17:27:25 PM
TRV's can jam if they have been closed for a long time.. a careful tap with a hammer on the valve body can free them.

Re: Radiator questions
Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 17:28:51 PM
first thing is, if you've just bled the system, use it as normal for a few days then try bleeding it again, there might be more air in the system to come out, there might be non, there might be air getting in somewhere

after a few days if it's still not right, then you've got a problem...


there's 2 pipes going to the header tank, a pipe coming out the bottom of it which feeds water into your central heating, and a pipe going into the top of it (pipe goes to top of tank, not under water) which lets air out of the system

sounds to me like the feed pipe from the header tank is blocked - it's a pretty common problem, the pipe will come down from the loft, go down past one of your central heating pipes and then join up to it via a U bend

the U bend stops hot water convecting up the pipe and heating up your loft tank.... but it's also a bad spot for crud/crap to fall into and block / restrict flow

(radiators being slow to bleed is a sign this could be blocked)


check for leaks everywhere... if there's a tiny leak somewhere, the header tank will be constantly filling the system with fresh water, constantly introducing fresh minerals/air into the system which will cause it to rust (and produce more crap to block it with)


it's a little odd that the overflow runs when the system is off... that would normally happen when the systems is on and the water is heating up / expanding




I think your best bet will be to get a plumber out... at least he'll come out and tell you exactly what is wrong... you could try to fix it for weeks and not get anywhere...  try asking around see if anyone you know knows a decent local plumber ?

Re: Radiator questions
Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 17:31:35 PM
p.s. to balance a heating system, you need to wait till it's cold

then turn off the taps on the other end of the radiator (the tap you don' normally turn) then turn it back on 1/4 of a turn...

turn the heating on and see which radiators get hot and which ones don't.... once the system is warm, check for any radiators which are colder than the others... any cold ones, open their tap an extra 1/4 of a turn.... wait and repeat till the system is balanced :-)

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