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Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 08:59:38 AM
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alot of IT Depts in large companies are still sit under / financed by another department (Finance / HR / Accounting etc)


i hear your pain there!!!

but ill raise you one. Imagine your IT dept didnt have a budget. That all depts bought their own software and then brought it to you to run. that they allowed you to spec your version of the hardware and they went out and bought it. that you had 80 systems and therefore 80 servers. imagine the pain of consolidation!!!

anyway, were getting off topic. IE8 is quite nice isnt it.

Matt

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Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 09:47:25 AM
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Quote from: Dooms
alot of IT Depts in large companies are still sit under / financed by another department (Finance / HR / Accounting etc)


i hear your pain there!!!

but ill raise you one. Imagine your IT dept didnt have a budget. That all depts bought their own software and then brought it to you to run. that they allowed you to spec your version of the hardware and they went out and bought it. that you had 80 systems and therefore 80 servers. imagine the pain of consolidation!!!

anyway, were getting off topic. IE8 is quite nice isnt it.

Matt


IE8 is horrible, lol :)
Cleaner interface thank god but still not standards compliant, does terrible on ACID Test 3.... Done sites and things ONLY different on IE8, I mean, come on! lol. Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE7.. All fine, IE8 hates some bits, lol.

MS Site even invokes IE8 to IE7 acceptability mode, Thank god and good on MS providing that meta code though tbh.

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Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 14:53:16 PM
hehe ie8 doesnt like MS Virtual Sever either..
I know sh*ts bad right now with all that starving bullsh*t and the dust storms and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

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Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 20:30:09 PM
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hehe ie8 doesnt like MS Virtual Sever either..


Did not even work in windows 7 for a bit.
Other thing I hate is that Windows updates hides IE fixes a lot of the time for bugs unless IE want to make a visual "look, even more secure" fixes and updates etc. IE8s whole smart web stuff is all just annoying as well, lol.

The stuff coming in firefox is much more appealing.

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Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 22:57:24 PM
IE8 is fecking HORRIBLE.  A lot of sites now have Javascript that doesnt work in IE8, but works fine in Firefox/Opera/Safari/Chrome/IE6/IE7.  Not even "Compatability Mode" works properly.  Ive seen this on a few machines belonging to customers, and then found that I have EXACTLY the same issue on my own machines when I tested the site.  Piece of sh*t.  

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Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 23:31:38 PM
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Another study asked the question why companies have IE6 at work?
The old comments for this is that software will only work on IE6 or the operating system environment or network is not compatible (OLD) etc.
This is actually a very small percent of the IE6 userbase, the real reasons stem from lazy or poor IT departments and costs.

The study showed that the software that is supposed to only work in IE6 actually works in IE7 or other browsers and/or has updates (more then one) to meet modern browsers,OSs etc. The other reason IE6 exists on networked machines is due to the poor environment they are installed on, meaning there is no one easy method to push an update to all machines in a company. Each machine would have to be dealt with and so on.
Yeah there are other good reasons like budget etc in a number of cases but overall there is no real excuses for this any more.
One way or another IE6 can go and users would upgrade if they could.


Difficult to install?  Any business that reaches the 5-15 PCs has like got or consider at the very least a Server of some sorts that uses an AD Domain.  It would be simple to push out software through Group Policy through such an enviroment, and even in the smaller enviroments that number of PCs is hardly a chore to update.

Of course there are reasons old software and browsers are still being run.  I have a group of surveyors that I look after and I cant install anything over Adobe Reader 5.0 for the software that generates the reports for completed commercial surveys, guess what its the biggest leading software vendor for survey and mortgage valuation.  Thats a case of there is nothing else on the market of the shelf, not time, money or effort.

http://www.questuk.com/Framework/ProductContent.aspx?pagename=ProductDataweb.htm

To get round it, we are having use an independant software developer create an entirely hosted SQL panel to eliminate for the need internal servers which are simply middle men to quest web databases, and what is a method of dealing with jobs before Internet bandwidth existed.

There are reasons there are call centres in Magna Park, the biggest distribution centre in Europe are using a Windows 2000 enviroment on desktops, I should know, Ive audited places like that.

Money, time, resources, hR, finance depts, meetings, directors meetings, more important matters in daily company schedules, It has nothing to do with being lazy, its often the case the reason is more complicated or elabourate and very often not for technical reasons.   Try getting work approved when there are 5 directors and meet once a month.   Approving time for an on site audit is hardly top of their agenda.

I work with a number of different business across Leicestershire, Warwickshire, Northamptonshire as their IT department whatever their requirements, if there are things Ive learnt in this game, IT is not one size fits all.

Generalisations about workplaces, IT departments, company work structures, attitudes are simply not going to get you taken seriously nor are they correct.  

"Digg Have Said So", you might as well be saying God has spoken to me, or my mate Terry that works in IBM.  You should no better to take Internet Articles on face value.

You wouldnt question a national news paper printing healthy girls dies of swine flu when you know full well there hasnt been a coroners report yet now would you.


Re:Big Push to Kill IE6
Reply #22 on: July 19, 2009, 03:05:10 AM
This guy has the right idea about IE6 (Webpage for IE 6 users visiting his site)

http://laughingsquid.com/overly-judgemental-internet-explorer-6-splash-pages/






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Reply #23 on: July 19, 2009, 04:00:12 AM
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This guy has the right idea about IE6 (Webpage for IE 6 users visiting his site)

http://laughingsquid.com/overly-judgemental-internet-explorer-6-splash-pages/







ROFL, Oh Many, You could not do that for a business site but that is great for personal site.

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