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Re: NZBMatrix Taken Down
Reply #15 on: December 13, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
Good for you, you have a decent enough connection to warrant Netflix and the know how that the average Joe doesn't to setup a proxy for US content, etc (which tbh probably violates some law/agreement somewhere anyway). I can't even stream iplayer reliably on my PS3, so if I choose to download something that I've just missed on TV in higher quality because it's easier then using iplayer then no one loses out as knighty said. I'm reminded of this too.

Films and music are a different kettle of fish, but frankly I'm not bothered if the high and mighty want to label me a 'shoplifter' when overall I've probably spent a lot more on film and music over the years than most, I still buy vinyl too when its available. It's not justified, but I don't feel I'm getting something for nothing when they are getting my money elsewhere later. I'll continue to try before I buy in the manner most convenient and make a stand against purchasing what I feel is a rip-off, or crippled with DRM sh*te. If more people did this and actively complained about being fleeced on releases we would soon see the trends change - the gulf between artistry and greed in these industries is getting narrower and not wider as it should, except for those taking initiative against it. I'd be the first in the queue if I could by my favourite music in 24-bit 192khz FLAC downloads, or even just lossless CD quality, but there's only a handful of artists that do this. iTunes lol, GTFO. Or the latest films in Full HD without any of this regional release crap, unskippable anti-piracy messages and DRM.

The truth is that it's far more convenient and easy to download and enjoy in whatever quality you wish to have than to use the paid services right now. Maybe things will improve when we finally get fibre across the nation but I think we're a long way off yet. It's working well for games after all, look how well Steam is doing for a brilliant example of how it should be done, I pretty much only buy games on there now.

Chasing piracy is achieving nothing, NZBMatrix going down is probably for the best for usenet as they were the index getting hammered by DMCA complaints resulting in takedowns, so things will probably improve. Or it will drive more people to torrents or private FTPs, IRC, etc. Either way the labels and studios need to change as the rampant piracy won't.

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Reply #16 on: December 13, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
RE the proxy, not illegal in fact it's Netflix that allows it. If you do it it says something along the lines of "so you're a traveller eh!? No problems, you can still access your Netflix account while here in the states. In fact here is our US library for your perusal as well!" In a message on the screen when you log in.

Re oatmeal, I agree its not an ideal situation and the scene is still better at getting episodes or showings of the latest and greatest out there given quality is not a factor, that has always been the case, be it bootleg VHS or bootleg c90s from the 80s or CDs, DVDs, etc now. That is likely to always be the case.

The studios will always have release dates, that will often differ by months across the world. Why? It could be anything down to copyright issues in country, perhaps they need to undergo rating for content or editing to allow them to be shown in country. These things are not within the control of the studio or the publishers.

The only problem now is that piracy is easy. As you say it's easy as heck, you can pirate something and all of a sudden no rules to abide by, no DRM, no anything. Why don't we just take software keys out of software? Or allow it so that people can use the media however they wish? And effectively make piracy easier still, that will surely lower the numbers of people who pirate media! (Sarcasm is difficult to put across in written form).

You do realise iplayer streams HD content and now allows you to download programmes? You dont appear to be aware from your comment above. As I said before you're comfortable committing piracy as its so easy, you've no real need to look around and assess your options.

As for that FLAC or lossless ogg you downloaded, that'll be a transcode of an mp3 or CD rip somewhere down the line. As you say, publishers and artists just don't provide it. Or at least if they do provide it, its a specialist service that is charged as such and unlikely to be available at your local HMV.

I also can't think of a time I've fallen foul of DRM yet in the last 6 years since i've gone 100% legal.

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Reply #17 on: December 13, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
That is good of Netflix :) I've already said I cannot stream from iplayer as my connection is woeful, but why download their additional software to watch something when i can just grab an MKV online of the same thing? The only other TV shows I download tend to be American premiers anyway. As iplayer is a BBC thing its not really fair to draw comparisons on it as I'm already a license payer and effectively covered, but for everything else it's pretty much the same and is just much easier and less hassle to not bother with the hoop jumping. There's also no time limits on how long I can keep something on my HDD then if I don't get round to watching it straight away. I see it as no different to using a PVR (except I can grab stuff sooner rather than later).

You can get quite clear logs of FLACs and their origin whether it be CD or or a direct off the mix console like NIN are fond of doing. Most CD rips will come with some sort of accuracy report too. No one transcodes MP3s any more, this isn't the year 2000 :lol: You probably won't fall foul of DRM if you are happy using iTunes, lots of people aren't though, I wouldn't really know what its like these days with music as I only use FLAC, Ogg and MP3 but I'd imagine its still a pain in the arse to take anything outside of iTunes. The reason FLAC and MP3 are so successful is because they are open formats, FLAC especially deserves to be the format of choice for anyone, space is so little of a premium now there is simply no reason to accept anything other than lossless.
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Reply #18 on: December 13, 2012, 13:37:46 PM
Your justifications are laughable.
your analogy is sh*t

you slate my comments/argument, but then you did nothing to rebut the points I made

if legit downloads were easy, and decently priced, I'd do that instead

if all of a sudden I couldn't download stuff, I'd do without

not because I refuse to pay for stuff, but because I refuse to pay for crap

I'm almost the perfect target audience for downloading stuff, I'm young and single and with disposable income, I'd spend £40 a week downloading stuff without thinking anything of it

instead of trying to fight piracy, the producers etc.. should undercut it - offer a better service so no-one bothers with piracy any more


I don't even know where to start with your "downloading = shoplifting" comment... that's just dumb

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Reply #19 on: December 13, 2012, 13:38:50 PM
to reiterate

I download stuff because it's cheap, easy, fast and convenient

legit downloads are slow, overpriced and out of date


there's no competition there

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Reply #20 on: December 13, 2012, 21:55:23 PM
I'm currently on a Virgin 30 or 40mb package, so my internet is pretty quick. During peak times, when people generally want to watch films or surf the internet I struggle to watch a Youtube music video with my kids.

Until the internet is suitably robust enough to ensure I can stream anything I want without worrying about lack of bandwidth Netflix et al are not an option. even iPlayer can give me grief. My problem is, I don't like buying films because I usually watch them once and then never touch them again. NowTV from Sky looked promising but at £15 a month for the one or two movies I watch really isn't worth it and they use Silverlight.

That would lead me to Blinkbox (if my internet was fast enough at the time), at £3.50 a film to rent that sounds perfect, but they use Silverlight. Which isn't supported by Linux, which just happens to be the OS my XBMC media centre PC has. Said PC is in a cupboard upstairs and I dont wish to use Bluray for various reasons.

Basically, I'm stuck. Unless I wish to watch the film on my PC monitor rather than sitting on the sofa with my missus in front of the telly. Surprisingly enough that doesn't sound very appealing. I think its fair to say there are definitely occasions, such as mine, where the current situation for legitimate use means jumping through far too many hoops.
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Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
There is new support for silver light as Netflix uses the same, might want to have a google out there maybe it's possible to get xbmc working. Strangely enough I was on blinkbox today, grabbed mi4, cowboys and aliens, haywire and man on a ledge for about £20 watching them on my iPad.

Are you trying to suggest you suffer from contention on a 30mbit cable package, or you're sharing your Internet in the house? As contention isn't an issue with cable as far as i understood it. I have 10mbit and have no probs at all maxing it out at 1.1mbit at anytime of day (at least until cap gets hit), might be worth you giving virgin a shout,
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Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
Its purely myself using the connection at the time.

As far as I can tell silverlight DRM support will never be coming to Linux, not entirely sure why as I haven't delved too deeply. Its a real shame because openelec is currently shaping up to be something I can use to cater for everything but films.

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Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 04:04:05 AM
Isn't silverlight dead, I though it was no longer developed?

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Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 14:08:35 PM
If it is they are still using it for pretty much every kind of streaming service you can think of.

There is a workaround for Ubuntu, which basically amounts to installing wine, which is something that'd be extremely difficult with openelec.

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