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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #45 on: February 19, 2008, 19:04:26 PM
MS said several months ago when paramount jumped ship that they will review blu-ray support as & when needed.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #46 on: February 19, 2008, 20:15:53 PM
<3 this thread  8-)
"Within your 'purview'? Where do you think you are, some f**king regency costume drama? This is a government department, not some f**king Jane f**king Austen novel!"

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #47 on: February 20, 2008, 06:37:53 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/19/xbox-360-blu

Strong rumour of 360 blu by may
Role on the official news in the coming weeks as well as the strong possibility of MS completely joining the blu ray group as a partner

So far all shaping up to be how I said and so hats for eating at the ready

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #48 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
sigh lol

Please stop PMing me Nexus - just leave things in this thread - I dont need whisper spam too :).  If they do it they do it but I trust the informer and Microsoft leaks staff as far as I can throw them.  Frankly theres a lot of 20 ssomethings at Microsoft who do databases and basic programming work with no contact with the XBox/video/research divisions.  The official statements from Microsoft make no mention of BluRay and in fact hint theyre looking at streaming their content using WMV9.

Dont get me wrong its just a USB interface so I have no doubt they have dozens of drives connected to the XBox 360 and capable of playing BR back.  All they have to do is buy an external USB drive and port a windows drive.  Its not technically difficult.  Hell, give me the SDK and a day and Ill have one working myself.  I just dont believe they have one lined up and itll be blocked/delayed by politics, legal and commercial constraints.  Actually doing it is trivial.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #49 on: February 20, 2008, 10:29:34 AM
by the time any add on hits the market  for the 360, which I dont doubt one will,  the cheap blu-ray STBs will be out that use that new diode, once that happenes, who will want to fork out £100 when for say £120 they can have one that will work with any HD tv, sans xbox.

and add on drives for consoles never seem to work for a console,if the mega drive, super Nintendo, jaguar etc. are any thing to go by.


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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #50 on: February 20, 2008, 10:37:30 AM
Thats exactly the point Alien8.  All Sony and co have to do is delay the BR drive on the XBox for a while and the whole point of having one becomes obsolete.  Thats exactly what I believe theyre going to do.

Heres a deal Ethen.  If theres a 360 BR player on the market by May 2008 then Ill stop posting long winded sciency replies to any posts and eat my hat as you seem to place so much credance on. On the other hand, if there isnt one then you can stop posting speculations about things and try harder to spell at least some of the words in your posts correctly.  Does that sound reasonable?

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Reply #51 on: February 20, 2008, 20:34:27 PM
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Thats exactly the point Alien8.  All Sony and co have to do is delay the BR drive on the XBox for a while and the whole point of having one becomes obsolete.  Thats exactly what I believe theyre going to do.

Heres a deal Ethen.  If theres a 360 BR player on the market by May 2008 then Ill stop posting long winded sciency replies to any posts and eat my hat as you seem to place so much credance on. On the other hand, if there isnt one then you can stop posting speculations about things and try harder to spell at least some of the words in your posts correctly.  Does that sound reasonable?


Im looking at things from a Business IT perspective as that is what most of my experience and training has involved.  Im not a fanboy either way, i dont have a 360 or PS3 because to be fair I wouldnt use them.

As I understand it one of the tenets that holds the BDA together is that an individual member _cant _ stop a company buying a licence to the technology.  In fact reading through the data it would suggest that you could get a manufacturing licence for the tech in under 2 months.  I would be surprised if Microsoft hadnt already got the paperwork and sent it off.  They will already have been working with it so that it works properly in Vista no doubt, though probably only on the software side after buying in drives from a 3rd party.  

I would agree though, the only stumbling block for them is the licence.  The tech will likely take them a few weeks or months to iron out, put a firmware flash into the 360 and you can have a blu-ray drive up and running with little effort in comparison to trying to retro fit the box (I personally would be very surprised if they dont already have a working protype or two in the 360 development labs).  MS have stated publicly multiple times that they will review Blu-Ray for the 360 if there is enough public demand.  They now know they can drop the HD-DVD add-on, so why not produce a Blu-Ray add on instead?  Its really little to do with licencing and more to do with economics.  Sony will be highly unlikely to block a direct application by MS for access to the full Blu-Ray licence, because if they did MS could do a variety of things, including lodging a complaint to the FTC under the US anti-competition laws (that would be highly ironic), or even poking Sonys licence to use WMA files on their Walkman products.  The most damaging thing for Sony I would think would be to remove their WMA licence (there is a clause in the licence that says MS can pull it at any time, for any reason).  While most of us use MP3/OGG  or similar formats, ive noticed that the great majority of home users rip their CDs using Windows media player.  Im sure theyll be happy that their shiny new walkman or ericsson phone wont play their music anymore, and they are more likely to swap their phone or MP3 player than their computer.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #52 on: February 20, 2008, 23:45:35 PM
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Thats exactly the point Alien8.  All Sony and co have to do is delay the BR drive on the XBox for a while and the whole point of having one becomes obsolete.  Thats exactly what I believe theyre going to do.

Heres a deal Ethen.  If theres a 360 BR player on the market by May 2008 then Ill stop posting long winded sciency replies to any posts and eat my hat as you seem to place so much credance on. On the other hand, if there isnt one then you can stop posting speculations about things and try harder to spell at least some of the words in your posts correctly.  Does that sound reasonable?


I do not care if you do steve (liam by the way not played wow for well over a year)
Do not post speculations unless stated as a rumour, do not think I have ever done so on the forums, been 3 times I stuck my neck out and be hammered to bits on the forums and ended up being right
The bit that got my beef was how you have been posting with a bit of a poor attitude that acts Like I am a low life and was a bit insulting after your attempts to be very long winded and to technical when in fact really in regards to the blu ray player it has nothing to do with that and in regard to the dealings of companies and The person I know you have a go at me for knowing yet really the people you know are actually on the other side in similar roles to what he does and so really you can say that your sources are at the same level and you believe them and I beleive mine. You choose though to have a pop at me etc just like your last pm.
Fair enough do not care if someone acting superior and being a bit of an arse only a forums but the pops pissed me off as they were uncalled for
And when it happens it will be interesting to see your opinion about it and what your told

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #54 on: February 21, 2008, 09:06:09 AM
so youre not taking the bet?  Quel suprise.  Well guess well know by May if they have something lined up already or are as I suspect simply trying to pull something together from a standing start.

And tbh you spend so much time stressing wether someone is having a go at you or if youre being bullied by every person who ever disagrees with you on a forum youd be better to just suck it up.  Its not live and die stuff.  In fact other than the fact you may or may not buy a device it has no impact on you in the slightest.  At least for me it changes my income and the meetings Ill be in for the next 3 months.

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HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #55 on: February 21, 2008, 10:07:14 AM
Before I begin...
I have a HD-DVD drive and about a dozen movies. I was a very early adopter and I anticipated both formats being around forever. I am quite surprised to see HD-DVD die but I am not that upset as that is what happens to your money when you buy early.
 
IMVHO the huge and sudden distributor switch to Bluray seems a little odd and makes me wonder what sort of behind-closed-door deals the BDA (Sony) pulled.
AFAIC Sony had (obviously) pinned their future on the PS3 and Blueray. As best I can tell the PS3 isnt selling as well as forecasted and this move to blueray secures Sonys future. Conspiracy ? Probably ;)

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #56 on: February 21, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
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so youre not taking the bet?  Quel suprise.  Well guess well know by May if they have something lined up already or are as I suspect simply trying to pull something together from a standing start.

And tbh you spend so much time stressing wether someone is having a go at you or if youre being bullied by every person who ever disagrees with you on a forum youd be better to just suck it up.  Its not live and die stuff.  In fact other than the fact you may or may not buy a device it has no impact on you in the slightest.  At least for me it changes my income and the meetings Ill be in for the next 3 months.



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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #57 on: February 21, 2008, 12:08:44 PM
lol - Ill leave you to it then if youre not taking the bet or saying your source.  Seems pointless.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #58 on: February 25, 2008, 02:01:44 AM
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Surely this kills everything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc


No, but this does.

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TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.

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Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.


 http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr1903.htm

Say bye-bye to HD-DVD folks.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #59 on: February 25, 2008, 02:28:59 AM
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Quote from: FuMaN
Surely this kills everything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc


No, but this does.

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TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.

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Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.


 http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2008_02/pr1903.htm

Say bye-bye to HD-DVD folks.


Serious  , read the forums dude - we know we linked its official we knew from start of thread it was happening and it could be 3 ways to do it and then that it pulled out
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What would have been news is the deal they have done with Sony that was finalised in regard to the manafacture plants and the cell chip etc :P

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