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I'm migrating my TV onto a new disk that's in an eSata caddy, so I'm going USB2 -> eSata  :rock:




Still going to take a while :)

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That image has clearly been photoshopped :P
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I have to say I am impressed with the the latest Icybox Dual Sata caddy. The caddy has onboard RAID (0,1,JBOD and nRaid). The only downside is that even when in Raid mode the caddy only presents 1 of the drives (2TB) via the eSata port. So once I've migrated I'm going to be stuck using USB2 on it again. I was hoping to use the full 4TB via eSata; not that I realised the caddy had eSata until I unboxed it :)

On a side note. Migrating media can be done much quicker if you delete the stuff you no longer want BEFORE you migrate.  :roll:

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Thunderbolt/Light Peak is the way to go.

Apple using their display port format so it can be compatible with things, Sony are using a USB port which will work with USB2/3 and lightpeak.

Because of the chips in devices that support the tech and the small chips that go into the cables they can offer this multiple compatibility.

If you get a macbook air and a new mac LCD you can plugin in one cable between the two and that will do audio, picture AND your lan.

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Thunderbolt/Light Peak is the way to go.

Apple using their display port format so it can be compatible with things, Sony are using a USB port which will work with USB2/3 and lightpeak.

Because of the chips in devices that support the tech and the small chips that go into the cables they can offer this multiple compatibility.

If you get a macbook air and a new mac LCD you can plugin in one cable between the two and that will do audio, picture AND your lan.

So whats the official "Apple" Price of said cable? Must be at least £100!
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So whats the official "Apple" Price of said cable? Must be at least £100!


http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC913ZM/A?fnode=MTY1NDA3Ng&mco=MjM2NDI4NjE


£39.00 - not bad for 10Gbps full duplex, with power and video connectivity.
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We already have a hundred cable formats out that support fast data transfer, certainly there are plenty that would not cost £39 to buy!

The problem is no one wants to be budge from the crappy USB spec and come up with something really good using better cabling. eSATA should have been awesome but isn't reliable IME.

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We already have a hundred cable formats out that support fast data transfer, certainly there are plenty that would not cost £39 to buy!

The problem is no one wants to be budge from the crappy USB spec and come up with something really good using better cabling. eSATA should have been awesome but isn't reliable IME.
Mate, look at lightpeak some. It is flipping awesome, intel made it so it going to be standard and why USB3 aint kicking off.
It is not Just a cable format, this is the important thing. It is not just ports either. The chips in the devices dedicated to the data transfer is important and the transfer rate over copper is flipping dam cool and once they sort the power side of things they will swith to fibre and be even faster AND backwards comptable with their current implementation.

To that as I mentioned in other post the way they have designed it allows you to use any form of connector you like and also use those cables for other standards.
So for apple they use their display port which still works as a display port as well as Thunderbolt and it is likely most PC manufactures will use USB connectors.

The cable is expensive because it has chips in the cable also either end but considering you can have duel monitor, network and audio and have data transfer two ways as well - pretty tidy desk.

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Ah I thought this was some Mac only thing so didn't even look at it, Lightpeak certainly looks like the right step forward!

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Ah I thought this was some Mac only thing so didn't even look at it, Lightpeak certainly looks like the right step forward!

I first thought it was a company wanting their standard to win but when I read into it over say USB3.0 which is just like other tech which are just trying to get more out of the same thing.
Intel actual has gone Backward to go froward and develop what I think looks to be that next proper step. Yep cables are expensive at the moment but so was the first of, well any new stuff.
Pretty excited by this going forward.

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We already have a hundred cable formats out that support fast data transfer, certainly there are plenty that would not cost £39 to buy!

The problem is no one wants to be budge from the crappy USB spec and come up with something really good using better cabling. eSATA should have been awesome but isn't reliable IME.

In addition to what Nexus has already said - from a blunt end user perspective as well what you've said is sort of the point. There are indeed hundreds of cable specs - but it would be far easier to just have one cable doing the lot - your multiple data devices, power, your video input etc.. My Macs don't support Thunderbolt but I wish they did! :)
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They could have rolled everything out under RJ45 tbh, it should have been done a long time ago. The problem is not cable type or quality, its the end connection/interface.
Last Edit: August 04, 2011, 11:55:30 AM by Clock'd 0Ne #187;

nimrod... are the drives cooled ?

I'd try to keep them cool if I was you.... 9 hours of continuous use = hot hot hot !

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They could have rolled everything out under RJ45 tbh, it should have been done a long time ago. The problem is not cable type or quality, its the end connection/interface.

It's also the old bandwidth v cost battle and the upgrade cost. What's the point in spending $$$ on a cable that does more than you need when you can already get something that does the job for pennies (in comparison)? For day to day usage USB2 provides me with more than enough bandwidth. The same is true of 54g wireless.


nimrod... are the drives cooled ?

I'd try to keep them cool if I was you.... 9 hours of continuous use = hot hot hot !

Yes m8 there's a little 60mm at the back on the caddy drawing air through :thumbup:
I've just been downstairs and the caddy is cool to the touch; I'm still transferring stuff onto one of the disks at the moment :)

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Lightpeak/thunderbolt will work because it is the chips that do a lot of what makes it work. They could not do it over that cable Nige, I remember reading the article about what they would need to change on motherboards and just how people use devices etc and the confusion over network and not network etc. All made sense to me.

The tech is not about the actual port which is great, it is no new ports, it can be used as mentioned on which you choose which is brilliant.

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For the speeds you get and the fact you can combine a number of things into one cable even this exact tech does not go through similar will and will be the norm soon enough.

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