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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #15 on: April 30, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
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Worn brushes works sometimes and somtimes not, if they are worn and you tap starter they will make better contact.
Ok, will try that next.

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Sounds sensor related to me.
Temp sensor?  Clutch pedal sensor?  Immob sensor?

Lol - the more I read online, the more things are becoming possible.  I now have the 'options' of:

Coolant temperature sensor fault.
Clutch pedal sensor fault.
Key fob battery fault.
Dirty key. (yeah right...)
Immobiliser fault.
Earthing strap corroded.
Duff Solenoid.

Bloody nigtmare.

I'd stick it in the garage but this is an intermittent fault - and you know that they never manifest when at the garage!  :yarr:
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #16 on: April 30, 2011, 18:06:29 PM
Quote from: Eagle on April 30, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
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Worn brushes works sometimes and somtimes not, if they are worn and you tap starter they will make better contact.
Ok, will try that next.

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Sounds sensor related to me.
Temp sensor?  Clutch pedal sensor?  Immob sensor?

Lol - the more I read online, the more things are becoming possible.  I now have the 'options' of:

Coolant temperature sensor fault.
Clutch pedal sensor fault.
Key fob battery fault.
Dirty key. (yeah right...)
Immobiliser fault.
Earthing strap corroded.
Duff Solenoid.

Bloody nigtmare.

I'd stick it in the garage but this is an intermittent fault - and you know that they never manifest when at the garage!  :yarr:

Another fault i read that you can add if you like is dirty ECU connections.

Next time don't buy Renault :P
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #17 on: April 30, 2011, 20:16:01 PM
Quote from: Eagle on April 30, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
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Worn brushes works sometimes and somtimes not, if they are worn and you tap starter they will make better contact.
Ok, will try that next.

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Sounds sensor related to me.
Temp sensor?  Clutch pedal sensor?  Immob sensor?

Lol - the more I read online, the more things are becoming possible.  I now have the 'options' of:

Coolant temperature sensor fault.
Clutch pedal sensor fault.
Key fob battery fault.
Dirty key. (yeah right...)
Immobiliser fault.
Earthing strap corroded.
Duff Solenoid.

Bloody nigtmare.

I'd stick it in the garage but this is an intermittent fault - and you know that they never manifest when at the garage!  :yarr:

None of the above, smart-arse :)

Try Cam position sensor or crank position sensor.

Instead of guessing, why not spend a bit of cash and get it plugged up to a computer.  That'll see what faults are being thrown back by the ECU.

Unless it's a mechanical fault.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #18 on: April 30, 2011, 20:39:10 PM
I mentioned earlier that I'd tried the TDC sensor.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 23:03:57 PM
Cleaning it won't work, it's a hall effect sensor.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #20 on: April 30, 2011, 23:22:18 PM
Hmm, cleaning seems to have worked for many a folk.  I suppose it's a cheap option to buy and try but I'd be surprised if it works.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 13:57:03 PM
Now have the TDC sensor and waiting for the engine to cool a little before I fit it.  Interested to know how a magnet can fail?

I also bought a fuel filter as the blerk at GSF suggested it could also be that.  I'm now getting more and more cold start failures so possibly fuel draining away from the engine?  She runs and idles just fine when started.

Is turning the ignition for 10 seconds+ going to cause any long-term damage?  Any clues as to why it eventual kicks-in and starts when doing this?

 :-\

[edit]  Sensor now fitted and waiting six hours+ to see if she'll start....

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Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 14:32:11 PM by Eagle #187;
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 14:36:08 PM
Magnet is on the moving part.  That's a sensor, so the magnet hasn't failed.

Fuel filter problems usually manifest by the car cutting out 100 yards down the road once you've started it, and not catching again for ages when you try and start it again.
My Delica did that, although it was a fuel pump problem.

Get some mole grips on the fuel pipe when you change the filter, unleaded burns like a bitch.

Edit.

Yes, cranking can burn out the coil.
Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 14:37:43 PM by soopahfly #187;
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 14:37:43 PM
is it any better if you sit with the ignition on for 60 sec before you try to start it ?
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #24 on: May 01, 2011, 14:57:57 PM
Quote from: soopahfly on May 01, 2011, 14:36:08 PM
Magnet is on the moving part.  That's a sensor, so the magnet hasn't failed.
Ok, thanks. :)

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My Delica did that, although it was a fuel pump problem.
My next worry!

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Get some mole grips on the fuel pipe when you change the filter, unleaded burns like a bitch.
Good tip - I would have just ripped it off! Sounds like it isn't the problem but now I have the part, might as well...

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Yes, cranking can burn out the coil.
Alas, it's my only option at the mo'.  Either that or walk.

Cheers. :)
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #25 on: May 01, 2011, 14:58:41 PM
Quote from: knighty on May 01, 2011, 14:37:43 PM
is it any better if you sit with the ignition on for 60 sec before you try to start it ?
Is that not a diesel thing - warming the coils etc?


...I'm praying it's the TDC, I really am...  :worried:
Last Edit: May 01, 2011, 15:01:47 PM by Eagle #187;
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #26 on: May 01, 2011, 15:14:41 PM
I doubt it will be the fuel pump.  My Delica was 16 years old, with 90k on the clock.
Changes in fuel between when it was made and when I was using it had caused the rubber to perish.

If the sensor is a common failure, then chances are it's that.
Even if it isn't you've probably dodged a bullet.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #27 on: May 01, 2011, 15:22:26 PM
Cheers.

What I'm thinking though is; could the car still start (which it eventually does with cranking) with a dead TDC sensor?
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #28 on: May 01, 2011, 15:27:13 PM
It's probably only starting with cranking once when the sensor remembers what it's there for.
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Re: Starter / Battery or both?
Reply #29 on: May 01, 2011, 18:17:00 PM
Quote from: Eagle on May 01, 2011, 13:57:03 PM
Any clues as to why it eventual kicks-in and starts when doing this?


Duff solenoid could do that (or "stuck" solenoid)
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